Comments on: Poll Question 007 – What kind of puzzle do you prefer? http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/ Finishing Half-Life is just the beginning! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:05:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dusty_Lions http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-227950 Dusty_Lions Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:04:53 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-227950 I'm numerically illiterate...lol// So I'd have to say tricks and traps.. I’m numerically illiterate…lol// So I’d have to say tricks and traps..
]]> By: Dusty http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-222334 Dusty Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:44:17 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-222334 Easy...LOGISTICAL... Easy…LOGISTICAL…
]]> By: Chris http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-214962 Chris Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:06:47 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-214962 I like Jumping Puzzles in game like Mirrors Edge. So really it depends on the game, but jumping puzzles have to be my fave I like Jumping Puzzles in game like Mirrors Edge. So really it depends on the game, but jumping puzzles have to be my fave
]]> By: Grey Acumen http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-213471 Grey Acumen Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:15:06 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-213471 Again, having a variety keeps things fresh and enjoyable. I prefer a logical focus, but with the other puzzle aspects supporting it. Again, having a variety keeps things fresh and enjoyable. I prefer a logical focus, but with the other puzzle aspects supporting it.
]]> By: Booman http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-67676 Booman Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:09:19 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-67676 I'm really fascinated with the Myst puzzles because they use sounds, shapes, levers, buttons, gravity and timing. I guess these are all considered logistical, but they add a lot of variety because of all the variables you can get. I think games should include all of the types of puzzles for variety. The puzzles I hate the most are the ones where you have a time-limit to complete it. Which means re-loading, re-loading, re-loading! I’m really fascinated with the Myst puzzles because they use sounds, shapes, levers, buttons, gravity and timing. I guess these are all considered logistical, but they add a lot of variety because of all the variables you can get. I think games should include all of the types of puzzles for variety.
The puzzles I hate the most are the ones where you have a time-limit to complete it. Which means re-loading, re-loading, re-loading!
]]> By: Tetzlaff http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-66844 Tetzlaff Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:55:00 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-66844 The kind of puzzles you call "logistical puzzles" is often misunderstood by leveldesigners. Key- and lever puzzles simply exist to create a motivation for the player to explore different parts of the level with a goal that lies inside the level itself (the closed area that needs to be accessed by solving the key puzzle). The distance between the locked door and the key (or switch) creates opportunity for multiple routes (non-linear leveldesign) and various combat situations. There could be one or more routes leading from the door to the key, and one or more routes from the key location back to the door. And on the way there´s plenty of opportunity for combat (which is after all the most important gameplay element in FPS games). Newer games like FEAR don´t get this simple idea, they handle lever puzzles like something that gives the player a break from the combat, so that he just has to do "something else" for a short while. That´s not how it´s meant to be. The kind of puzzles you call “logistical puzzles” is often misunderstood by leveldesigners. Key- and lever puzzles simply exist to create a motivation for the player to explore different parts of the level with a goal that lies inside the level itself (the closed area that needs to be accessed by solving the key puzzle). The distance between the locked door and the key (or switch) creates opportunity for multiple routes (non-linear leveldesign) and various combat situations. There could be one or more routes leading from the door to the key, and one or more routes from the key location back to the door. And on the way there´s plenty of opportunity for combat (which is after all the most important gameplay element in FPS games).

Newer games like FEAR don´t get this simple idea, they handle lever puzzles like something that gives the player a break from the combat, so that he just has to do “something else” for a short while. That´s not how it´s meant to be.

]]> By: planetphillip http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35627 planetphillip Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:15:34 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35627 Added the final results. Added the final results.
]]> By: andyb http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35321 andyb Sun, 03 Dec 2006 14:36:38 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35321 If I vote on the current poll it would probably be logistical since I cant vote my preference of Logistical & Physics combined.Jumping can go jump in the toilet along with stacking boxes. If I vote on the current poll it would probably be logistical since I cant vote my preference of Logistical & Physics combined.Jumping can go jump in the toilet along with stacking boxes.
]]> By: planetphillip http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35301 planetphillip Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:52:00 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35301 <blockquote>What about mazes?</blockquote> I would class mazes as logistical puzzles - doing something in the correct order. It seems that people are trying to classify mods according to a puzzle. I don't think that's needed. A mod or map could easily contain all three, the question was to see if there was any one that people hated (I suspected that Jumping was going to receive the fewest votes). <blockquote>Personally i think the killing of the tentacle monster in HL1 was one of the best implemented puzzles ever done in a fps.</blockquote> Agreed.

What about mazes?

I would class mazes as logistical puzzles – doing something in the correct order.

It seems that people are trying to classify mods according to a puzzle. I don’t think that’s needed. A mod or map could easily contain all three, the question was to see if there was any one that people hated
(I suspected that Jumping was going to receive the fewest votes).

Personally i think the killing of the tentacle monster in HL1 was one of the best implemented puzzles ever done in a fps.

Agreed.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35297 Anonymous Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:18:38 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35297 What about mazes? Wouldn't mazes be in it's own category, as they usually do not involve moving anything or using buttons? (I'm a little 'iffy' on the definition of logistic puzzles) I hate maze maps by the way. Any map that gets it's own puzzle category is a bad map: logistic, jumping, or even physics maps included. Maps shouldn't be limited to puzzles. What about mazes? Wouldn’t mazes be in it’s own category, as they usually do not involve moving anything or using buttons? (I’m a little ‘iffy’ on the definition of logistic puzzles)

I hate maze maps by the way. Any map that gets it’s own puzzle category is a bad map: logistic, jumping, or even physics maps included. Maps shouldn’t be limited to puzzles.

]]> By: HLFREAK http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35281 HLFREAK Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:45:11 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35281 Let it be known that I hate jumping puxxles. I was playing Blue-Shift the other day, going for no deaths. It was going great until I got to Xen and the "lame run and jump" section (quoting Planet Half-Life's reveiw) and I missed a jump and died. Let it be known that I hate jumping puxxles. I was playing Blue-Shift the other day, going for no deaths. It was going great until I got to Xen and the “lame run and jump” section (quoting Planet Half-Life’s reveiw) and I missed a jump and died.
]]> By: Zockopa http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35263 Zockopa Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:40:52 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35263 Personally i think the killing of the tentacle monster in HL1 was one of the best implemented puzzles ever done in a fps. It was a large puzzle,covering a couple maps,but was in no way a gamestopper. And mostly exactly that,the stop-effect of most puzzles implemented in fps,kills the fun out of me. Personally i think the killing of the tentacle monster in HL1 was one of the best implemented puzzles ever done in a fps. It was a large puzzle,covering a couple maps,but was in no way a gamestopper. And mostly exactly that,the stop-effect of most puzzles implemented in fps,kills the fun out of me.
]]> By: Stef http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35219 Stef Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:02:37 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35219 if we say PLU and MOP ate more logical puzzle and Rock-24 more physical puzzle then i vote for physical if we say PLU and MOP ate more logical puzzle and Rock-24 more physical puzzle then i vote for physical
]]> By: Fluffy The Hamster http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35218 Fluffy The Hamster Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:02:02 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35218 The puzzle preference depends on the game. I mostly lean towards logistical puzzles. When it comes to the run-of-the-mill FPS games/mods such as Half-Life and such, I enjoy logistical puzzles more since it's the easiest, more used puzzle there is. Jumping puzzles depend on the enjoyment you get from the actual act of movement. In games such as Starsiege: Tribes, jumping puzzles (for lack of a better word) are as fun as hell. When it comes to physics puzzles, it depends on the complexity. You need to pick up a plug and plug it into the socket: Boring. You drag a heavily explosive barrel next to a tower, and shoot it so that the tower falls, destroying the bridge and allowing you the ability to cut off the enemy retreat and finish them off: Awesome. When it comes to making sucessful mods and maps, it usually leans on the orchestrated combination of the three. On preference, though. I'm going for logistic. You have an unlimited field of which to do with just the press of a button, ranging from the dispensement of a can of soda to the nuclear destruction of the entire state of California. The puzzle preference depends on the game. I mostly lean towards logistical puzzles. When it comes to the run-of-the-mill FPS games/mods such as Half-Life and such, I enjoy logistical puzzles more since it’s the easiest, more used puzzle there is. Jumping puzzles depend on the enjoyment you get from the actual act of movement. In games such as Starsiege: Tribes, jumping puzzles (for lack of a better word) are as fun as hell.

When it comes to physics puzzles, it depends on the complexity. You need to pick up a plug and plug it into the socket: Boring. You drag a heavily explosive barrel next to a tower, and shoot it so that the tower falls, destroying the bridge and allowing you the ability to cut off the enemy retreat and finish them off: Awesome.

When it comes to making sucessful mods and maps, it usually leans on the orchestrated combination of the three.

On preference, though. I’m going for logistic. You have an unlimited field of which to do with just the press of a button, ranging from the dispensement of a can of soda to the nuclear destruction of the entire state of California.

]]> By: Jimbo http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35214 Jimbo Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:30:34 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35214 I think MoP was another logistical and physics puzzle idea-- especially at the end with the square you had to make with the triangle peices. Peaces like us...in that weird part in the game with all the anime art littered about...I think that was a jumping/logistical idea. Good stuff on both mods. (as you can tell, I love HL mods!) I think MoP was another logistical and physics puzzle idea– especially at the end with the square you had to make with the triangle peices. Peaces like us…in that weird part in the game with all the anime art littered about…I think that was a jumping/logistical idea. Good stuff on both mods. (as you can tell, I love HL mods!)
]]> By: planetphillip http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35213 planetphillip Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:29:57 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35213

Different people like different things– either extreme or basic.

I think that’s a given. This is just a semi-serious pop-poll to gauge preferences.

what type of puzzle game would you call Mistake of Pythagarus or Peaces Like Us

I haven’t played (Or can’t remember) Peaces Like Us, but I suppose MOP is mostly Logistical. Doing things in certain order.

]]> By: andyb http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35212 andyb Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:25:31 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35212 what type of puzzle game would you call Mistake of Pythagarus or Peaces Like Us ? what type of puzzle game would you call Mistake of Pythagarus or Peaces Like Us ?
]]> By: Jimbo http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-007/comment-page-1/#comment-35210 Jimbo Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:16:30 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-7/#comment-35210 Remember the Conc maps in TFC? I don't know if you guys count those as puzzles, but I hated those maps beyond belief. I'm not super-great at stuff like that, and I find it pointless to try to get good at it. But what's this? There's dozens of conc maps out and two of my friends are extremely good at it. It's ridiculous! That and those bunny hopping maps. What the heck. I'm one to think puzzle-type areas of games are just in the eye of the beholder. Different people like different things-- either extreme or basic. I guess I'm one to enjoy when a game mixes elements of these puzzles-- for instance in HL2 episode 1 in the Citadel core you had to use the gravity gun to grab those energy spheres and throw them into the power nodes to activate certain bridges, lasers, etc. You got a logistical and physics thing going on, and I loved it. I know I've seen some other great ideas in some sven coop maps, but I can't think of any at the moment....and I can't think of any custom ideas to add to this post. Maybe later! Remember the Conc maps in TFC? I don’t know if you guys count those as puzzles, but I hated those maps beyond belief. I’m not super-great at stuff like that, and I find it pointless to try to get good at it. But what’s this? There’s dozens of conc maps out and two of my friends are extremely good at it. It’s ridiculous! That and those bunny hopping maps. What the heck.

I’m one to think puzzle-type areas of games are just in the eye of the beholder. Different people like different things– either extreme or basic.

I guess I’m one to enjoy when a game mixes elements of these puzzles– for instance in HL2 episode 1 in the Citadel core you had to use the gravity gun to grab those energy spheres and throw them into the power nodes to activate certain bridges, lasers, etc. You got a logistical and physics thing going on, and I loved it.

I know I’ve seen some other great ideas in some sven coop maps, but I can’t think of any at the moment….and I can’t think of any custom ideas to add to this post. Maybe later!

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