Comments on: Poll Question 095 – Is it time to merge amateur and professional game development? http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/ Finishing Half-Life is just the beginning! Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Grey Acumen http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-213754 Grey Acumen Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:40:29 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-213754 We kind of are already merging amateur and professional development. Just look at how Cavestory is being developed for Wiiware. It started out with just one guy, but he got picked up by a team and now his work is getting a total upgrade under his supervision. We kind of are already merging amateur and professional development. Just look at how Cavestory is being developed for Wiiware. It started out with just one guy, but he got picked up by a team and now his work is getting a total upgrade under his supervision.
]]> By: zellock http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-174366 zellock Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:06:11 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-174366 Wow... I'm gonna have to agree with Oopla here. He basically said everything I was gonna. Wow… I’m gonna have to agree with Oopla here. He basically said everything I was gonna.
]]> By: planetphillip http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-174244 planetphillip Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:27:39 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-174244 <blockquote>I think this is a bad idea because sooner or later free good content would vanish, because modders would try to sell out before releasing something for free.</blockquote> I don't believe it would work that way. I believe there is a possibility of some middle ground. Perhaps Valve could create the team I mentioned in the post and run a project every year. More like a stepping stone than a replacement. There will be many teams and individuals that will want complete creative control and these people would continue to release maps and mods.

I think this is a bad idea because sooner or later free good content would vanish, because modders would try to sell out before releasing something for free.

I don’t believe it would work that way. I believe there is a possibility of some middle ground. Perhaps Valve could create the team I mentioned in the post and run a project every year. More like a stepping stone than a replacement.

There will be many teams and individuals that will want complete creative control and these people would continue to release maps and mods.

]]> By: Hoyy http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173899 Hoyy Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:17:23 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173899 I think it's about time this happens. All the loses a dev team goes thru is incredibly annoying, and to know how bad it feels only being a dev youself. To let some of the questions that plunge in the development of a game or mod, wether in an entirely new engine, or simply a sequel like the episodic releases from Valve, if devs, amateurs and pros alike, were to reunite, the efforts into making a game would be decreased drastically. The only downside is the major difficulty it would be to administrate a bigger team, but the benefits are so great, like speeding up development, not overloaded mappers, sound makers, coders ... (there will be more people to do the same work) . I think it’s about time this happens. All the loses a dev team goes thru is incredibly annoying, and to know how bad it feels only being a dev youself. To let some of the questions that plunge in the development of a game or mod, wether in an entirely new engine, or simply a sequel like the episodic releases from Valve, if devs, amateurs and pros alike, were to reunite, the efforts into making a game would be decreased drastically. The only downside is the major difficulty it would be to administrate a bigger team, but the benefits are so great, like speeding up development, not overloaded mappers, sound makers, coders … (there will be more people to do the same work) .
]]> By: Werner Spahl http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173648 Werner Spahl Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:12:44 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173648 I think this is a bad idea because sooner or later free good content would vanish, because modders would try to sell out before releasing something for free. Also Valve is more or less doing it already. Just look at their games! Besides Half-Life their whole portfolio consists out of former mods which are not free anymore. Among these are Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Gmod and The Ship, at least with TF2 they completely changed the style. Portal is based on a free demo as well and as far as I know the former free mods They Hunger and Natural Selection are going the commercial Valve-way too. I think this is a bad idea because sooner or later free good content would vanish, because modders would try to sell out before releasing something for free. Also Valve is more or less doing it already. Just look at their games! Besides Half-Life their whole portfolio consists out of former mods which are not free anymore. Among these are Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Gmod and The Ship, at least with TF2 they completely changed the style. Portal is based on a free demo as well and as far as I know the former free mods They Hunger and Natural Selection are going the commercial Valve-way too.
]]> By: Oopla http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173639 Oopla Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:03:03 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173639 I am betting the sony guy was talking about in game advertising. There is some potential for a developers working closer with the fans and allowing fan content to be sold, making everyone more money all around. But there is a down side of this. For every Minerva, there is a "Lynch Spore" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jeB3ZsjHo4 This is EA's biggest nightmare. This content could make it to the media, under the lie that it is official content, and be a PR disaster. Bigger than Hot Coffee. This is a "Story" that would sell tons of advertising. About how Spore "Allows and condones racism." No one ever stopped to point out that the whole hot coffee story was BS, that users had to illegally modify their games to get access to the racey stuff in a game that was rated so that anyone who was playing already should have had an idea of what a penis and a vagina are. Nope, defend that game and you are defending giving pornography to children. I think that any game developer who wants to work with fan content has to get over the entirely possible fear of this kind of situation. -Oopla I am betting the sony guy was talking about in game advertising.

There is some potential for a developers working closer with the fans and allowing fan content to be sold, making everyone more money all around.

But there is a down side of this. For every Minerva, there is a “Lynch Spore”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jeB3ZsjHo4

This is EA’s biggest nightmare. This content could make it to the media, under the lie that it is official content, and be a PR disaster. Bigger than Hot Coffee. This is a “Story” that would sell tons of advertising. About how Spore “Allows and condones racism.” No one ever stopped to point out that the whole hot coffee story was BS, that users had to illegally modify their games to get access to the racey stuff in a game that was rated so that anyone who was playing already should have had an idea of what a penis and a vagina are.

Nope, defend that game and you are defending giving pornography to children.

I think that any game developer who wants to work with fan content has to get over the entirely possible fear of this kind of situation.

-Oopla

]]> By: toxagen http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173608 toxagen Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:08:59 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173608 I voted 3. all decide is 'Valve's will' Not must or able. and, I'm(or will) not trust the Steam. I voted 3. all decide is ‘Valve’s will’

Not must or able.

and, I’m(or will) not trust the Steam.

]]> By: Memobot http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173504 Memobot Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:11:23 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173504 Paying for maps would be interesting, but isn't the fact that maps made at an amateur level are free because they're made at an amateur level. Putting prices on such developments could be seen as making them professional. Adam Foster is a good example of this. What's the difference between his amateur mapping and his current (and so far, unseen) work with Valve? He was at a good level with Minerva, the main difference that he is now employed with Valve. With other maps on sale, wouldn't they be technically employed by Valve, or with whatever company their creation is affiliated with. It would be interesting to see how the companies' copyright contracts would change to allow such a thing to take place anyway. Paying for maps would be interesting, but isn’t the fact that maps made at an amateur level are free because they’re made at an amateur level. Putting prices on such developments could be seen as making them professional. Adam Foster is a good example of this. What’s the difference between his amateur mapping and his current (and so far, unseen) work with Valve? He was at a good level with Minerva, the main difference that he is now employed with Valve. With other maps on sale, wouldn’t they be technically employed by Valve, or with whatever company their creation is affiliated with.
It would be interesting to see how the companies’ copyright contracts would change to allow such a thing to take place anyway.
]]> By: Ashkandi http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173500 Ashkandi Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:57:42 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173500 I think Valve could be the publisher, when we make a good mod ( like paranoia or AOM:DC ) Valve just publish it, do some advertisement, etc. But hold 5-6 part-time workers on a project is too hard, this would be chaos. I think Valve could be the publisher, when we make a good mod ( like paranoia or AOM:DC ) Valve just publish it, do some advertisement, etc. But hold 5-6 part-time workers on a project is too hard, this would be chaos.
]]> By: planetphillip http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173499 planetphillip Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:50:03 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173499 <blockquote>Yes, but Valve already are merging them with hiring Adam Foster (Minerva).</blockquote> That's completely different. He now works for Valve so he is no longer an amateur. I'm talking about something completely different.

Yes, but Valve already are merging them with hiring Adam Foster (Minerva).

That’s completely different. He now works for Valve so he is no longer an amateur. I’m talking about something completely different.

]]> By: Mman http://www.planetphillip.com/posts/poll-question-095/comment-page-1/#comment-173497 Mman Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:47:52 +0000 http://www.planetphillip.com/?p=3765#comment-173497 Yes, but Valve already are merging them with hiring Adam Foster (Minerva). Yes, but Valve already are merging them with hiring Adam Foster (Minerva).
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