This has been discussed a few times in other mods but I felt it was time for a proper debate in its own post. I have copied a lot of the discussion from another post because it was what started my thinking about the idea.
To summarize, Robert Yang wanted to know why I didn’t add non-combat mods.
I promised to think carefully about it and I have. Unless a lot of PP readers don’t want me to then I will start adding SOME “art” mods from next week. However, I won’t be adding everything that doesn’t fit the criteria of the site, just the ones that I think are interesting and are single player – no MP mods will be added. In addition I won’t commit to playing or reviewing them. I will post screenshots supplied by readers or by the mod maker themselves. Of course, other readers can post their comments and review but they won’t be able to add recommendation images. I don’t want the overall results diluted with non-combat mods.
Lastly, I won’t be mirroring the files either. Not doing the above will help ensure that I can still post the mods without a negative feeling of obligation at the work involved.
I accept that what I find interesting is very subjective but I need to limit it in some way otherwise I will have to add hundreds of maps and mods.
So, here is the question:
Would you like PP.com to list some “art” mods?
I always meant to demand a better answer from you, actually – why don’t you list the experimental “art mods”? Let people decide what they make of them. It’s a lively debate that probably everyone has an opinion on. Plus, the site’s mission statement reads: “The site’s content is focused on single player maps and mods for the Half-Life series of FPS games.”
Dear Esther and Radiator and Korsakovia and the many many others:
Single player? Check.
Maps and mods? Check.
I just find it slightly insulting when we put just as much work into our stuff yet we don’t get acknowledged by what is probably the most authoritative single player HL2 database on the net. We’re part of the community too, you know – and it’s your responsibility not to exclude us just because we’re kind of weird.
The reason I don’t add “art mods” is because I don’t enjoy playing them. Long before you visited the site I used to add maps and mods for about 20 different SP FPS games. I never played the mods because just keeping up with all the releases was incredibly hard. I also posted detailed information about those games and ones in development.
Eventually I had a “gaming breakdown” and decided it was time to change the site or go crazy.
I realized that I only really enjoyed the Half-Life mods and so chose to focus on that. At that point I still added concept maps, in development mods and other non-traditional maps; like the windmill background map.
The problem was that I didn’t enjoy playing them, so adding them to the site was seen as a chore, instead of a pleasure. Again, I made the decision to focus on combat maps and mods, set in the HL universe.
For me it really comes down to this: I run the site as a hobby. I spent more hours doing that than most modders spend making their mods. I make no money from the site (any income is spent on improving the site) and don’t want to get into a situation where I dreaded updating it.
You are right the mission statement is exactly as you quote it but adding the “Combat with the HL universe” seemed overkill. I have explained the content in the Content Guide and hope that new readers take the time to read the guides.
I question the “probably the most authoritative single player HL2 database on the net” because I know of no other site remotely as detailed as mine. Even ModDB doesn’t have the same number of released maps and mods.
I truly respect and admire your work but I don’t enjoy playing it. For me gaming is about story AND puzzles AND shooting AND incredible locations.
Lastly, sorry for sounding so formal, it’s not my intention, but I have NO responsibility to anybody but myself. As a modder, do you have any responsibility to make traditional mods? No, you make what you enjoy making. I run the site for fun and admit its focus is incredibly small, but that’s what I like.
Obviously, you are part of the modding community but that doesn’t mean your mods should be added automatically. All the MP mods are also part of the modding community too but I don’t add those.
It certainly wasn’t my intention to insult you or your work.
I have long considered having a section of maps and mods that didn’t fit the site’s criteria and I even created a page but never had time to add items to it. I have a list of tasks related to the site as long as my arm and decided not to take a proper Summer holiday this year to attempt to do those tasks. Adding more work is just not the answer.
The forum does have a thread called What PP.com does not cover that attempts to list mods like yours.
In light of your “demand” I promise to give serious thought to creating a new category called “Art Mods” or similar where I add mods like Radiator, Dear Esther, Curse etc. I will only add mods that are proper mods and not anything and everything not covered by the site’s criteria. Mods that I feel deserve wider attention.
I trust that answers your questions and if I seemed rude or slightly aggressive, I apologize. I am rushing out and wanted to reply immediately.
5th May 2010
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